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Postby dolem98 » Mon Jan 28, 2002 4:22 am

My red tail catfish isn't doing very well, he seems to get sick a lot and doesn't look very happy. The pet store told me to only get one but I know some fish do better in groups. The problem is, my tank is only 100g so I don't know if I should risk getting another.
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Postby LstMango00 » Mon Jan 28, 2002 8:01 am

Moving this over to Fresh Water

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Postby dolem98 » Mon Jan 28, 2002 5:25 pm

So i guess nobody has any suggestions?
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Postby tHe_ReJeKt » Mon Jan 28, 2002 6:25 pm

I would not suggest another on if it is a SA red tailed catfish. I have never kept one but from what I've heard ONE will soon outgrow a 100 gallon tank so 2 will need a quite large tank.
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Postby MagnusApollo » Mon Jan 28, 2002 9:13 pm

about red tails, they aren't a schooling sort of catfish. They are found in nature buy themselves in caves that they have dug or burrows that animals had made before the annual flooding occurs...

These fish will reach 4 ft in length and will get quite heafty. There is a photo of one full grown that was posted a few weeks back in the gallery area. Getting one is going to be a hassel when it's full grown, two will be a nightmare I would imagine...

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Postby dolem98 » Mon Jan 28, 2002 11:02 pm

OK I think I will stick with one.

About my tank: My tank has six oscars, I am trying to get a pair. I also have a school of neon tetras that is getting smaller by the day. My water is nice and clear. I have a hang on the side pump.

My catfish keeps slamming into the glass which I think is not good. That's why I think he is sick.
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Postby Master_Brady » Mon Jan 28, 2002 11:48 pm

SWEET JESUS! people actually keep fish that big in aquariums?!?!?!?!i can imagine rich folks getting HUGE tanks for sharks and stuff, but darn! that is a big catfish...... how old do you think it was in that picture?
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Postby maestro » Mon Jan 28, 2002 11:58 pm

Your catfish is gonna need a MUCH bigger tank than a 100 gallon if he's gonna be happy. I'd say more like 1000, Minimun 600 IMO. Your cat isn't sick, I think it just needs a larger tank and I remember reading something about them getting angry when the lights are on so they smash into the tank. I would be very careful if I were you, because the Cat won't have a hard time breaking the glass soon. I'd either commit to buying a new tank (pool) for it or trying to give it away.
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Postby dolem98 » Tue Jan 29, 2002 1:01 am

The guy at Petco said that 100 gallons would probably be enough. No offense, but I think I trust him since it is his job, and that is what he gets paid to do.
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Postby MiSfiT » Tue Jan 29, 2002 1:27 am

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by dolem98:
<strong>The guy at Petco said that 100 gallons would probably be enough. No offense, but I think I trust him since it is his job, and that is what he gets paid to do.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">AHH HAAAA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH WOOO WEEE!!! That was a good one!!! The guy at Petco said so!! Ahh haha!!

Take a look at the freakin picture!!!! That fish is LARGER than a 100gal tank. You couldnt stuff that thing in an empty 125 without first grinding the thing up.

Petco employess are usually teenagers who dont give a darn about what theyre doing or adult who is either a moron or is lying just to sell the fish. It is a rarity when you actually find someone who knows what theyre talking about. So you can believe the moron who you spoke with, Or you can believe an honest to God fish biologist (myself) who will tell you, Redtail cats do not belong in captivity unless you can house it in a large pond in a warm climate. And maestro is correct, the glass will soon no longer hold the fish and you will end up with a broken tank. Or the fish will puke up its food poisoning the tank and killing all of your fish. Do you even know how to feed the fish correctly???? I doubt it. Take it back to Petco and tell the guy hes a moron.
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Postby RobTheFishStoreGuy » Tue Jan 29, 2002 2:06 am

Utmost respect remember...

I value your opinion, and the dicision to listen to the valuable emplyee of the esteemed petco. After all, it is his job, and I couldnt imagine someone from petco who sees these fish only when they are babies steering you wrong. I applaud your decision to ignore the photographic evidence of this fishes size in favor of what your were told by the employee of petco.
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Postby kw6974 » Tue Jan 29, 2002 2:09 am

I work at a Petco and I take offense to what you just said assuming that all Petco employees are stupid. Yes I do agree some of them don't know all that much but the majority of the people I work with have fish and know what they are talking about. But anyway back to the RTC subject. First of all 6 oscars in a 100 gallon tank is to much. then u have the big cat in there too. If you keep all of them in that tank sooner or later they will all fight and the RTC will eat the oscars and anything else you put into the tank if he doesnt break the glass first. So either take the fish back or invest in a pond.
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Postby David R » Tue Jan 29, 2002 2:29 am

Look at the picture, the only way you could get that catfish into a 100g would be to put it in a blender and turn it to liquid!!!
How big is your rtc?? When they get too cramped in an aquarium (which it could well be with 6 oscars) they start to slam into the glass and often you end up with a broken tank. This usualy happens not when the tank is too small for themto turn around in, but when their whiskers get too long and keep bumping into things.
Get a bigger (wider, go custom built) tank now!!!
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Postby Issaquahpm » Tue Jan 29, 2002 3:25 am

I work at a petsmart and I am not a stupid teenager... Dont make generalizations like that, its not fair at all. I work hard at my store and always try to steer people in the right direction.

If I were you, Id find the two oscars that seem to get along the best, and get rid of the rest while you still can. Maybe pick up another cichlid or two.. or have three oscars.. and defintly get rid of the catfish.. they will turn into a nightmare

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Postby dolem98 » Tue Jan 29, 2002 4:06 am

I agree, we shouldn't judge people negatively just because they work at Petco. I think I will listen to what he says. I might go back and tell him what some of you had said and get his opinion on that though.

I am only keeping my Oscars long enough to find a pair. Once I find one, I don't care if the red tailed catfish eats them, because i already have my pair! And you say I don't know how to feed it, I bet mine eats better than yours!
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Postby aldatapo » Tue Jan 29, 2002 4:13 am

I'm new to fish and stuff, and the guy at petco sold me a new 5 gallon tank, two oscars, and live feeders all on the same trip.
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Postby dolem98 » Tue Jan 29, 2002 4:15 am

I think you might have been tricked on that red tailed catfish image. It might have been doctored up, mine is nowhere near that size and he isn't growing.

Look at the amazing thing image editors can do:
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If you think I can't keep a red tail catfish in a 100g, I'd say you can't keep a grasshopper in a jar!
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Postby LstMango00 » Tue Jan 29, 2002 8:06 am

I still don't understand why pet stores are allowed to sell fish of that size. The average home aquarist doesn't keep a 600g tank.

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Postby MiSfiT » Tue Jan 29, 2002 9:28 am

Boy, you guys are ridiculous!! first of I said USUALLY the people at petco are morons, not ALL of them! Kory please read what is written before freaking out. Don worked at petco or petsmart and he knows more than most of you will ever know. From my experience he is the the only one I know of who knows anything about fish and Ive been to many different petcos. If you know something, thats great, but its not the norm. And anyone who tells you that an RTC can fit in a 100 IS a moron.
Dolem, you can keep believing that employee, or you can do the intelligent thing which is to do some research on the fish you bought. But since I doubt you actually will because youre pretty stubborn heres some links

http://www.fishbase.org/Summary/SpeciesSummary.cfm?&genusname=phractoc ephalus&speciesname=hemioliopterus
http://www.aquariacentral.com/species/db.cgi?db=fresh&uid=default&ID=0130&view_records =1
http://www.animalnetwork.com/fish/reference/af18.asp

you can keep believing that the photos are doctored, but theyre not. Fishbase is one of the best references you can find and it lists the cat at over 4 feet. Go ahead, keep the thing, it will end up dead or your tank will be broken. But hey, thats ok, you kept your loyalty to someone who screwed you because you think he must know what hes talking about because he works at petco.
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Postby Issaquahpm » Tue Jan 29, 2002 10:54 am

The pictures arent doctored. I saw a red tailed catfish at the the vancouver aquarium I believe.. and it was bigger then that.
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Postby Aquascape » Tue Jan 29, 2002 11:41 am

Huge catfishes are best kept in ponds if you really want to have them as pets, and a red tail catfish gets to be pretty huge. ( I'm willing to bet that the fish in the pic ws not photo-edited. Several catfish species are rather..err.. gigantic when fully grown) You can always have a 600G - 1000G tank made, or a sizeable fish pond in your backyard (whichever is cheaper)
How big is your red tail catfish now? Is it still growing or has it stopped?

I'm no fish expert, so I don't know if the catfish will stop growing based on the size of the tank/pond he's kept in.

But I agree that 6 oscars in a 100 Gallon is a wee bit overcrowded <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="/smile.gif" /> As for using them as 'feeders' for your catfish.. well.. I wouldn't do that to my oscars, no matter how much I loved my catfish. (I don't have a catfish. If I'm ever going to get one, I'll do some reasearch on an asian species of catfish that stays under 3 feet long. )
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Postby vanm7 » Tue Jan 29, 2002 12:11 pm

I just want to add that the photo posted in this thread is one of the more common ones shown of the RTC on the Net. It was taken on a scientific expedition and isn't doctored. The fish DO get huge and are one of the breeds commonly sold that I for one don't think should be. Others include red-line snakeheads, silver arrowanas, and red-bellied pacu. All of these fish get far too large for most home aquariums and the tanks needed to keep them healthy and happy are too expensive for most people.

I also want to tactfully mention that while there are very knowledgable people working in pet stores there are also people who simply filled out an application because they like animals and happen to be working in the fish section that day. Putting your blind trust in an LFS employee isn't always the smart thing to do. I always recommend doing your own research first. The same BTW goes for this BBS, experience here runs from the professional level to complete novice.
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Postby T » Tue Jan 29, 2002 2:14 pm

Or just get a bigger fish that will eat the catfish since you dont seem to care.
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Postby corey da fish keeper » Tue Jan 29, 2002 5:21 pm

I'm sure the Pet Store told u the Read Tailed Cat would get along with ur Neon school as well, was that right ? Dont think so.
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