Water Conditioner. What is it good for?

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Water Conditioner. What is it good for?

Postby greg » Wed Feb 29, 2012 4:04 am

All right, water conditioner is not expensive, but is it needed?
1) Activated carbon will remove chlorine, chloramines, and some heavy metals (under the right conditions)
2) water conditioner is not require for partial water changes
3) Unless ammonia is present in the tap water, nothing else in the water conditioner is needed.

So if you are starting a new aquarium, conditioner is not needed because the activated carbon will remove the chlorine/chloramines and bind the heavy metals before you add the fish. When you do a moderate water change the added chlorine/chloramine is not enough to cause harm.

So when is conditioner needed?

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Re: Water Conditioner. What is it good for?

Postby Ted » Wed Feb 29, 2012 10:17 am

I do 90% weekly water changes. Some here do two back to back large water changes, effectively changing 100% of their water weekly. An instant dechlorinator like Seachem Prime will get rid of chlorine immediately.

Most members here do not use activated carbon because of its link to HITH/HLLE in oscars. Also, activated carbon effectiveness lasts a very short time. Even if it is brand new, all of the chlorine would need to pass through the media in order for it to be absorbed. Assuming you had enough chemical filtration capacity, it would still take quite a while to take care of it. Meanwhile, the chlorine could be impacting your fish.

You could also age your water change water in large containers for a few hours with an air stone or power head to free chlorine, but that does not help with chloramine.

My advice is spend the money on something like Prime and not activated carbon.
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Re: Water Conditioner. What is it good for?

Postby Herefishyfishyfishy » Wed Feb 29, 2012 12:34 pm

I just wouldn't want to run the risk of any chlorine entering my filters. It may not kill any, may kill some or it may nuke your entire colony of BB and that is a risk I am not willing to take. I don't use carbon on my Oscar tank unless I am trying to strip meds from the tank which I have not had to do in several years. Having kept Oscars for a long time now and from hanging around here I have seen enough cases to convince myself that these fish can have negative reactions to carbon if subjected to it over long periods of time.

Prime is also great to have on hand in emergency situations like power failures or if for some reason you needed to setup a new tank asap.

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Re: Water Conditioner. What is it good for?

Postby Renegade87 » Fri Mar 30, 2012 1:03 pm

Ted wrote:Most members here do not use activated carbon because of its link to HITH/HLLE in oscars.


Ted, could you expand on the activated carbon link to HITH? This is the first I've heard of it.

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Re: Water Conditioner. What is it good for?

Postby Tom » Fri Mar 30, 2012 1:26 pm

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Re: Water Conditioner. What is it good for?

Postby Kmuda » Sat Mar 31, 2012 8:31 am

Renegade87 wrote:
Ted wrote:Most members here do not use activated carbon because of its link to HITH/HLLE in oscars.


Ted, could you expand on the activated carbon link to HITH? This is the first I've heard of it.

Thanks.


Here's a link to a discussion about a recent science review article.

viewtopic.php/f,1/t,85633

But regardless, there are many cases were HITH has occurred in otherwise well maintained tanks and was resolved by discontinuing carbon use.
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Re: Water Conditioner. What is it good for?

Postby Ted » Tue Apr 03, 2012 1:06 am

Your link goes through a worm hole K. It even has a post by Salukis old login.
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Re: Water Conditioner. What is it good for?

Postby Kmuda » Wed Apr 04, 2012 8:43 am

Thanks Ted. Repaired. That was weird.
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