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Postby oscargo » Tue Jan 29, 2002 6:09 pm

have a look at this pic of a red tail cattie chowing down on a knife fish & then have a look at what he keeps this thing in.a bloody big pond.if you need any advise on them send him an email.
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Postby maestro » Tue Jan 29, 2002 6:43 pm

Hmm, this is beginning to sound like another one of those topics where somebody just ignores what everyone says so they get ppl ~Violation of TOS~. Anyways, I think you (dolemn) should tell the guy what we all say and see what he says. Then tell us, so we can advise you in the right direction. We aren't just trying to tell you you're an idiot or anything, we just want to make sure you keep your fish as happy as possible and have this turn out to be a good experience. And I agree with what Rob was saying about *A LOT* of the people who work at Petsmart and Petco. I have a friend that was going to work at Petsmart in the fish dep. and he knew absolutely nothing about fish. He asked me about what to get for his 35 gallon tank, and I told him to do a nice community setup. He looked around and said he thought Bala sharks and tinfoil barbs were cool. I said his tank wouldn't work for them, but did he listen? Nope. Now most of his fish are dead. And he still wants to work at Petsmart. I have met some people at Petsmart who are very knowledgeable about fish, but a good deal of them have no idea what they're talking about.
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Postby MagnusApollo » Tue Jan 29, 2002 8:18 pm

My girlfriend use to work for Petco, but was unfortunately let go and one of the reasons her manager didn't like her was that she would tell people the truth that would turn them away from sales... Her manager was a complete moron, and fired all the older employees, some that were specialized breeders of the animals they sold in the store, so that they could hire high schoolers for cheap. My girlfriend (who breeds fish and who is a biologist in training) was replaced by a guy that dropped out of school in 9th grade, couldn't read very much, and only raised a pet snake when he was 7-8 yrs old... Talk about a good guy to have in your fish department of Petco.... Also, the other woman that was fired, and they hired yet another idiot... This replacement manager had accidentally over medicated all of the fish tank the first week that he worked there. The store lost over a thousand dollars in fish that day... Then the Next week... He does that same thing again to the fresh water tanks and kills off those fish... (sure makes you think eh?)

The bad thing is that the dumb people tend to stand out more than the knowledgable people at most Chain stores...

Back to RTC... Please don't take this as a personal attack... I don't want to think that we are just ganging up on you... Catfish are very powerful fish, and when they get unhappy of a small setting have nasty habit of crashing through them... I would hate to see you lose all the tank and fish cause of not wanting to listen to us... check out this book "Tank Busters, a guide to large fish for the home aquarium" it has photo's and tips to dealing with fish that are enormous... It's a bit of an older book, but it has pictures of full grown fish, and most of the tips are still accurate, with only a few updates that are needed (which usually fall in the catagory of breeding tips... which most people don't really need when dealing with 10 ft long fish...)

Hope this helps
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Postby JONES » Tue Jan 29, 2002 10:20 pm

Im not sure if someone said this or not, because there are some long posts...but...Does it really sound like this guy has a RTC?

It hasn't grown...and how many Petcos have you walked into and found a RTC floating around in?

I'm not sure...but I think I might be onto someting here....

And also...where I'm from...most petco employees are dumb...

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Postby Omegafish » Tue Jan 29, 2002 10:34 pm

I love the RTC. It's such a beautiful fish. But another reason I like it is because it's colossal. So I have a certain respect for the fish; I don't touch them. I see them a lot.

Have you heard of the smaller relatives, the Shovelnoses? Particularly the Tiger. We all know and love the beautiful fish. And yet it only gets 3' long and is famous for, literally, blasting tanks open as it rams through with it's hard head. And remember, the Tiger Shovelnose is smaller.

Many National Aquariums have these fish. National Aquarium in Baltimore had one, but I don't know what happened to it. New England Aquarium has one or two, according to pictures I've seen posted here. Just go and look. Shouldn't be too hard to spot it/them.

These fish are incredible. But I can say that if you are keeping Oscars with Neons, I'm pretty much at a loss of what to say. Neons are way too small to be kept with Oscars or a RTC, not to mention six Oscars AND the RTC.

I've been to Petco. The largest fish I've ever seen there was the feeder goldfish. The rarest fish was the elephantnose. The people there are moderately educated in fishkeeping. "30 gallon? That should fit 30 fish" is my favorite quote. Not saying all Petcos suck, but the one near me sure does.

The RTC is quite healthy. The fact that it's swimming might be a little stress. If it's rubbing against objects, you've got parasites. If it's just swimming around, he's either still hungry (Pimelodids have humongous appetites as well as elastic stomachs; they literally stretch to accomadate large objects, but don't feed too much) or what everyone else has said: the tank is too small.

How large is it at the moment?
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Postby dolem98 » Tue Jan 29, 2002 11:12 pm

Well I went to the PEtco store today, and guess what he was working there again. I started telling him about what all you guys had said and we started arguing. Anyways, I got mad because I told him that I knew a biologist and a fish store owner who said otherwise. Things kind of escalated and I yelled at him and asked for his manager. The manager came over and he didn't know much about fish, but there was another person who did. He said that what you guys were saying was true. So now I have the word of one Petco employee against another. They said if I brought the fish back they would give me a free fish. So I went home and brought it back and they traded it to me for a fish gift certificate since I didn't want anymore fish to live with my oscars. This time the guy was still there and he apologized. I said I was sorry too, but that I didnt think they should sell fish that get to be four feet. He said, next time they will warn people that try to buy them.

In the end, all I have to say is PETCO RULES! They really helped me out on this one.

Thanks for all your help everyone!
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Postby David R » Tue Jan 29, 2002 11:56 pm

Does the guy at petco own a red tailed catfish????? Didnt think so. Try talking to people who actualy keep the fish. Go have a look at , email sharron personaly, or join the rtc mailing list, ask everyone on there (including Dr David Sands who has written several books and a cd-rom on keeping large catfish in aquariums) what size tanks they keep their rtc in. I think you'll find the smallest is sharrons 370g, which was custom built to be wider rather than tall to give moby (their rtc) more swiming room, which will eventualy be upgraded to a 1000g+. [nb: they also keep pacu's so anyone contemplating keeping pacu's should look at their site and talk to them]. Someone on that mailing list keeps their rtc in a swimming pool!!!
Sorry to get angry, but you come on here asking for advice, get several reasonable, sensible answers then just repeat your mistakes and go back to petco. Did the person who got sold a 5g tank 2 oscars and a bag of feeders not convince you that 98% of their employees dont know sh!t from clay?? (and even if they did they'd still eat them both).
I suggest if youre not going to listen to us then you stop asking questions.
Here's a pic of moby at 27" and still growing!!
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Postby RobTheFishStoreGuy » Wed Jan 30, 2002 1:39 am

We were not ripping on petco. We were ripping on the person who with photographic evidence would rather take the word of some fish store guy who apparently doesnt not know what he is talking about. The place where I work sells RTCs as two - three inch babies, most people in our store dont know how big they get.
We get a lot of these back, the one redeeming feature of my employers insistence in selling babies is that he will take the fish back when it gets big.

The person asking for help if you will notice said the fish looked sad and was sick all the time. Then he gets advice, like they asked for and chose to ignore it. Now everyone because they like fish is yelling at the original poster so there is no way they are going to listen now. I dont listen when people yell at me... I tell people that their tank is too small and they buy the darn fish anyway, some people just dont care if the fish die they can buy some more, a change is nice anyways.

And Mango... the reason fish stores can sell these huge fish is the same one that lets them sell dyed fish. Because it is not illegal.
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Postby tHe_ReJeKt » Wed Jan 30, 2002 1:48 am

Dolem I hope for the fish's sake that you either reconsider owning one or get a much larger tank. RTC's can get huge and they will do nothing but keep growing until your tank is in pieces all over your floor or the fish dies of poor conditions and stunted growth. If you want to believe a pet shop employee than go ahead but as someone who is opening his own pet shop please listen to what I have to say. I want to apologize for the generalizations I often make about chain pet store employees, some are very knowledgable about what they do but it is obvious the guy you talked to was not.
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Postby aldatapo » Thu Jan 31, 2002 8:00 am

i think all of those images are real, even the grasshopper in the back of that truck... Look at the size of this one

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Postby vanm7 » Thu Jan 31, 2002 3:39 pm

aldat - Your nice photoshop work aside I can only repeat. The pic of the RTC is real. They really do get that big.
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Postby Dotyereye » Thu Jan 31, 2002 8:26 pm

i have personally seen one over 3 feet at my LFS in a 1000 gal.
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Postby mike17 » Thu Jan 31, 2002 8:47 pm

those fish do get that big,

Most species of cat fish get huge, channels, and what not are found in rivers and dams arond my town, they get massive...

just last week i saw a red tail at the pet warehouse in a 55 tank, that was bout 6 pounds, 20 inchs ONLY ONE YEAR OLD
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Postby JONES » Thu Jan 31, 2002 11:14 pm

aldat...that was awesome....
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Postby MiSfiT » Fri Feb 01, 2002 8:34 am

you can still see the caudal of the redtail...
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Postby LstMango00 » Fri Feb 01, 2002 8:52 am

You're mistaken Misfit, that's not the caudal of the RTC, that is one of the rarer aquatic grasshoppers of S. America. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="/wink.gif" />


p.s. Bottom line, if you don't believe the RTC can get to be that large, than sorry. We at O'Fish have tried to tell you. To the original poster, I'm glad to hear you did get to take back the RTC. Welcome to O'Fish and we hope you come back again for more information.
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